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First question I have is Have you ever been on a Nutrisystem diet? Thanks for any answer or 2. Another question on my mind: I could ask a doctor (and there are a few in the men's thread), but everybody here has an opinion and it's free.. |
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I would like to know the answer too. Anyone here know what is the right answer to your question. I'll do some investigation and get back to you if I find an useful answer. You should email the people at Nutrisystem as they probably know..
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Fantastic! You made me laugh so much my wife came from another room to find out what was so funny...
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My opinion is, and it's only an opinion, that the organs are the same size..
We know that the stomach gets bigger and smaller, but I think the organs. Are the same and the thing that changes is the visceral fat (fat around the organ).. But I don't have a job, no education and you get what you pay for from me... |
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I have heard about enlarged hearts, but I think that's a medical condition and not related to obesity...
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Better 40, our organs aren't bigger just because we're fat for the most part. The liver can enlarge slightly due to fat deposition, however (fatty liver disease - the name says it all, huh?). The heart enlarges due to persistent resistance against it in the form of hypertension (high blood pressure). With improved diet, you decrease fat deposition in the liver and (usually) improve hypertension, leading to slight decreases in heart size..
Just my 2 cents.. |
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I have only one abnormally large organ. The internal ones are all appropriately sized...
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I've always thought, to myself and probably erroneously, that the heart is a muscle. Muscles get stronger by working harder, therefore shouldn't it stand to reason that obese people's heart have to work harder than most, so once you lose that extra weight you should actually have a stronger heart than a person who has never been fat..
From my knees down is pure, 100% muscle. I have spent the better part of my adult life obese and my extremely muscular calves and feet show it.. Of course this postulate comes from a brain that also used to believe that if you only ate once a day that I could lose weight. Unfortunately that one meal was usually burgers and pizza. Thank you Nutrisystem and the guys in here for dispelling that "Truth" for me... |
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Ah organ, is that something you find in a church? As a jew, I don't go to church often except when invited for a dunking of a new kid and/or whatever. So bigness or smallness is not my "ex-per-teeth"..
Did I say I started celebrating new years early and due to the weight loss, the spirits take effect faster with less required. (it really looked like water, but what a kick!).. |
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Actually, obese people DO have one organ that gets smaller as they lose weight - it's called skin...
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I agree! (except hopefully your skin shrinks as you lose weight). Don't forget, the number one risk factor for heart disease is obesity and not anything else...
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Well I know I got a fatty liver. My Doctor always asks me If I'm a lush. I rarely drink. I also got that darn enlarged heart. Nice to know That this all may help. Glad you asked the questions...
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I remember missing that on a Zoology exam..
What is the largest organ of the human body?. I said. Lungs. Needless to say, I got a B- in that class... |
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I have an enlarged heart brought on by Congested heart failure, caused by dilated cardiomyopathy, which came from some viral infection. I take a lot of meds for it. I have an implanted defibulator. I don't know if my heart will get smaller once I loose a lot of weight, but the decreased work load should be better for it. my ejection fraction has risen from 15% to 35% over the past 5 years. If a doctor on the boards knows if the enlargement is reversible i'd like to know...
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Obesity with normal blood pressure probably won't cause an enlarged heart but if you do have hypertension your heart has to work harder to pump the blood and that can cause hypertrophy of the left ventricle..
The interesting thing about skin is that your surface area goes down as you lose weight but only in absolute terms but not relative to your bodyweight. As you lose weight your surface area per pound actually increases and vice versa. This is one of the reasons that fat people sweat more, they have less skin per pound to dissipate the internal heat... |
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Do you have any non surgical solutions to reducing the rolls of fat after one loses weight. All (or a majority) of my weight was (is) in the gut. And with a 100 pound loss, I have a massive roll which I'd like to reduce/eliminate. Cutting is not in my options...
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I think I read in another post a few months back that the skin does go away, it just takes longer. But, then I'm not a doctor, my memory is going, and I'm dealing with my own roll, trying to decide each morning if I want that extra roll of mine to go above the belt or below the belt...
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I'm probably the wrong person to ask this as I have no experience with it myself (yet) and this isn't exactly the type of thing they teach about in medical school..
In my limited reading, mostly on more bodybuilding directed sites the consensus seems to be that it will eventually go away with further fat loss and what we typically call "loose skin" is actually "loose fat" and the answer is further fat reduction.. Personally, if (or when) I have this problem in the future I think I might just be vain enough to go under the knife, and while the surgeon is in there he might as well do a little liposuction and abdominal sculpting!.. |
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From everything that I've seen and read, some of the loose skin will disappear but some of it won't no matter what you do. At my heaviest, I was about 276 and I'm 182 now. I have a little bit of loose skin around my abdomen but some of that is probably age related. For those with massive amounts of weight loss, going under the knife is the only option..
The best way to fight loose skin is to stay hydrated while we are losing the weight. The older we are, the less likely the loose skin will be to shrink... |
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Oh boy, that's just great news Mobay. I think you could have kept that to yourself. There goes my Monday...
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Sorry to break the news but you shouldn't have too many issues since you didn't let yourself go to the point that some of us here have...
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I'm not a doc but an ICU RN.
The phenomenon on the cardio myopathy is called Frank Starlings Law:. You know how a rubber band shoots farther the further back you stretch it? this is your heart working against the resistance of the 'pipes' (your arteries), as it needs to work harder than if your BP were normalized. (Major side effect of obesity). BUT you ALSO know how if you KEEP pulling that rubber band to max tightness, that eventually the 'stretch' becomes 'boggy' and the band is now BIGGER than it was when you started this little project and the 'snap' is gone. This happens with time to your heart too.. Now I've not heard of the enlargement will get BETTER (there IS a surgical procedurenot very common tho) but decreasing the resistance the heart has to work against is the key.. Hope this helps!.. |
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The organs DO get fat covering on them so *technically* they are bigger, but not the organs themselves..
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I have the exact same thing as you do... I got a viral infection leading to cardiomyopathy and myocarditis when I was 13 and was given 3 months to live. Well I just turned 30, so.. yea....
Lol. My heart is enlarged on the left side. and that doesnt seem to have improved in the past 17 years, but my ejection fraction has risen from 13% to 85%. (prior to starting on NS) I will be seeing my cardiologist again at UCSF the end of this month. I would like to see if losing 80 something pounds will have decreased the size of my heart. But will probably never get off the meds that I have been on since I was 13... |
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It's the age thing when you said, "The older we are". No stopping that...
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Oh, there's a way to stop it. Most of us aren't ready to go though...
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I guess since I am going to have so much loose skin I better quit and stop eating again...
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Elizabeth is right on with her comments regarding Cardiomyopathy, no way to decrease the size of the heart, but weighing less does decrease the workload...
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Not speaking as a physician, ......
There are two types of fat that we carry. Subcutaneous fat, and visceral fat. Subcutaneous fat is the fat that is directly under our skin. Subcutaneous fat is usefull as padding. Though an excess of S. Fat is bad, it's not as bad as as an excess of visceral fat. Too much V. fat actually puts pressure on our organs. It can not only be uncomfortable, it can be outright deadly.. According to WebMD, "Recent research also suggests a link between belly fat and a range of other diseases, including diabetes, some cancers, and even age-related dementias.". Http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20081...les-death-risk. If you need a reason to shed those pounds, you have plenty... |
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These posts have been interesting to read. Thanks to everyone for their either professional or non-professional opinions and facts...
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